I cant but take this article with only a grain of salt. If you need more examples, simply go to YouTube and type Priscilla Shirer sermon into the search bar. - Theres lingering sin. Throughout Certainly. Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip.. How I wish I could ask him what he thinks of his heathen saving methods now that he has seen the face of Jesus!). That, plus being a faithful member of a doctrinally sound church and being taught the Word every week is the best way to learn the truth of Scripture and grow in Christ. You are spot on. on Fighting for the Faith, True Woman Conference Speaker Priscilla Shirer Hears Gods Still, Small Voice at Apprising Ministries, Priscilla Shirer and Contemplative/Centering Prayer at Apprising Ministries, He Speaks to Me (April 24, 2008) promo video by Priscilla Shirer, War Rooms Priscilla Shirers Contemplative History, and Why ItMattersat Berean Research, Review of Priscilla Shirers Sermon: The Multitude by Chris Rosebrough, Priscilla Shirer- Mystic by David Sheldon, Priscilla Shirer: Out Of The Closet At The Alpha Leadership Conference 2017at Emergent Watch, Priscilla Shirerat Fighting for the Faith, Fervent Warning on Priscilla Shirerat Christian Answers for the New Age, Why I do not recommend Kendrick Brothers new movie, War Room, part 2 at The End Time, War Room: A Review by Justin Peters at Worldview Weekend, Stand Firm: A Review of War Room at Satisfaction Through Christ, Reblogged this on Seth Dunn and commented: How can we be Christians who care? There are still some good, solid blogs over there (such as Kevin DeYoungs and Erik Raymonds), and they frequently put out helpful, doctrinally solid articles, but Ive chosen to use other sources instead. Our new series is designed and I believe inspired by the Holy Spirit to show how Christianity is not just about going to church on Sunday morning. Michelle Thank you for your work in the area of discernment. What is your belief regarding Israel and the plan God has for the future of Israel? Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. This is not a Church. Finally, you summed up your blog post on why Christian women shouldnt follow, support or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer because she teaches men (though I cant find evidence of this but Im still lookin! Astonished Beyond Measure Amen. It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. Steven Furtick is the pastor of Lysa TerKeurst, and he is on Oprahs Super Soul 100 list. The Bible doesnt say anything of the sort. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart . Do you have other references to their false teaching? Verse Concepts. Heres more info. 1 Samuel 30: 6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his - Jonah didnt smell good. Wolters begins with the shrewd observation that the four authors understand what moving beyond the Bible to theology means in at least four overlapping but distinguishable ways: (1) bringing the authority of Scripture to bear on issues that Scripture itself does not directly address (e.g., in contemporary bioethics); (2) dealing with ethically . INTRODUCTION: Click on link: #FerventFridays - Week 1 - Your Passion. These women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. 1 Corinthians 4:6 says: And His promises will never let you down or disappoint you. As Christians, the Bible is our authority, so its what the Bible says that matters, and thats what I point women to. (Ive addressed that here in case you might be interested.). Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. What does the Bible say about discerning between true and false doctrine? She admits it. Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. But believers are to grow to maturity in their relationship with Christ and their knowlege of His word. Dear Michelle~ Thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions! It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective.. He saw 1000s come to Christ over a life time of service. Jeremiah 24:7. You should bring these points about Shirer up to your pastor if her studies are being pushed in your church. Ohmygoodness!!!! Its not like they bend over backwards to exclude men and cant help it if men stay, short of being bodily removed. Stay the Path (book) Promo Priscilla endorses Bobbie Houstons book. However, from time to time, I get people who comment or send e-mails pretending to genuinely want help just so they can get their comments published and who then proceed to argue and twist Scripture in subsequent comments. Stories such as these are easily remembered, the characters bold, and the symbolism rich in meaning. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. Ive fixed it (as well as a few others that have expired). "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. But read her He Speaks to Me Bible study for yourself if you want to assess. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. Evangelical/Non-Denominational. I thought parables were a kind of means to read yourself into scripture? You may have loved her in War Room and want to buy her books. All you need to say is simply 'Yes' or 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one. Hummm. It means to trust that the Bible has all the answers and truths we need to live a holy and pleasing life before Godwe don't need anything beyond what God has provided for us in His Word (see 2 Peter 1:3 ). I wish this particular writer would have more clearly defined what he means by silence. So we both have been grateful ever sense, me personally because; as her husband she is my most important ministry, so besides Church, we do studies both together and private, and then share them with one another, we also pray together and so on, but i know (because i have learned, and it is also true of men) sometimes women need women.(Titus.2:3-4). I dont know half of your theological terminology, Its very easy to think of Priscilla and think, Whats not to love?. Yes, hope is needed, and no youre not going to find it on the news, but youre not going to find true hope in Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer, either, because not only can you not find hope in bad news (like the TV news) but you cant find hope in false news either, and thats what they teach. Just got home form a conference defending the faith. God doesnt limit to a select few the number of Christians who are able to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus the way He limited entrance to the Promised Land. Remember what Hebrews 5:12-14 says: For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. Thank you! I guess I have to do some research on those folks. Also, Lisa is doing the Women of Joy tour with Christine Caine, Lysa TerKeurst, Ann Voskamp, Lauren Daigle, etc. - Femina Sola Gratia Is she a false teacher? A NIGHTMARE ON DESERT STREET! Do you have any other examples? Genesis 24:1-4. 1. Priscilla and her husband of 22 years, Jerry Shirer, lead Going Beyond Ministries through which they provide spiritual support and resources to the body of Christ. All comments are handled manually, and I do not publish comments which promote false doctrine. If anyone has more info. I am more of an egalitarian, but Shirer rubs me the wrong way too. Be a Christian Who Cares This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. Thats very wise, and I respect that. Romans 16:17-18, They said to you, In the last time there will be scoffers, following their own ungodly passions. It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. When a choice you make or an incident happens that will from that moment define some aspect of your life! I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, but in my mind, if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. Going Beyond Ministries is focused on the expository teaching of the Word of God. Morning Service Wow! such as man can bear. Heres just one example of Priscilla preaching to men: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fIzWbXvfps. Paul refuted public false teaching publicly many times. #4b- This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. No, this is a promotional clip in which Priscilla not only makes several incorrect biblical assertions, she uses those incorrect assertions as the foundation of this Bible study she has written. How do we respond to those who are new Christians and who still "smell" of their former sinful lives? Unfortunately, Word Press doesnt show me that kind of thing until after Ive published my own comment. I thought most people read themselves in scripture. I am currently getting familiar with blogs for Christian ladies and your thorough, scholarly, biblical recommendations are absolutely invaluable. 18:15-18), although I would add: The minute someone puts something on Youtube, Face Book, Twitter, or any other social media, or public outlet for that matter, your proof text falls flat in on itself, because more than anything this text deals with proper Church discipline. Also, and I am not downing what you say, as you obviously have many wonderful people reading your blog, these women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. Yes, Kenneth Hagin was one of the worst false teachers out there. Here are my 2.1. but i will look to the word of God , and i will talk to my pastor. I've been reading a book by Francine Rivers lately about an old woman called Leota who loves the Lord and has an amazing impact upon the lives of other people in her life, yet is rejected and hated by her own daughter, Eleanor. Go beyond what's fair. The true bride will always go beyond the minimal requirements. My co-leader read your thoughts about Priscilla and I presented your views to the members of our study. You must be afraid of some things, or else you will be in trouble. Jakes daughter), Priscilla Shirers promo page at Hillsong, Priscilla Shirer, featured speaker at Hillsongs 2016 Colour ConferencewithBrian Houston, Bobbie Houston, andChristine Caine. Where does Priscilla get the idea that God is supposed to be speaking in these ways? My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. - People coming out of sinful lives dont usually smell good. If they ever do an article on her, I will add it to my list of resources here. When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, He taught them: Pray then like this: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. In addition, Beth Moore violates other Scriptures including the ones prohibiting the teaching of false doctrine and yoking ourselves together with those who do. Weve got to act on what the Bible says, not our own opinions. 3. ), partnering with false teachers (thank you for noting this! I KNOW this is your website and if I dont like it or cant relate to or dont understand what your position is on a particular topic~ I have the choice to stop reading. Paul is quite clearthat people who preach another gospel are accursed, or damned, and that we are not to partner with them. Therefore, it is my recommendation that women not follow, support, or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer or Going Beyond Ministries at this time. How is this different? Because you seem to be arguing against the biblical truth youve already read and have rejected reading any of the further biblical teaching Ive referred you to. I've done this so that you can learn what it means not to go beyond what has been written and so none of you will become arrogant by supporting one of us against the other. He said he met with the teachers of the studies and told them to go over and compare everything biblically and under his guidance to finish out the study and after that thereally will be no more Priscilla Shirer in our church. Their focus is on Christian living type articles, not discernment (which is certainly fine, everybody has his own genre). Going by her recent appearances, she no longer seems to have any reservations about violating the Scriptures that prohibit her from teaching and preaching to men. I also dislike how she makes a career of telling women not to have careers. With regard to books, Bible studies, even blogs like mine, I completely agree with you! There are two lists of women and two lists of men. Maybe a good example of Priscilla using eisegesis to teach scripture? No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. Personal experiences can be evidence of the truth of rightly handled and understood Scripture, but not vice versa. She is a false teacher, not because I say so, but because when you compare her teachings and behavior to Scripture, you will find them consistently in conflict with Scripture. If you dont trust the evidence Ive presented here, I encourage you to do your own research. I think the following articles will be helpful in answering your question: You might also want to take a look at the other articles in my Rock Your Role series. *It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. If you are considering commenting or sending me an e-mail objecting to the fact that I warn against false teachers, please click here and read this article first. Matthew 14:15-16. Did you feel any kind of fear? How can you trust that anything else she teaches you about the Bible is accurate and true? They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. Though there are others, these are the major doctrinal errors in this video, which is less than four minutes of teaching from Priscilla. Tonight at church he came up and thanked me for sharing and said he hated that these studies got past him. Far too often we just "go through the motions" in life but Jesus wants much more than this for our lives. This article is more along the lines of a court case where youre on the jury and Im showing you the evidence of Priscilla Shirer breaking the law. I didnt know I was reading and studying scripture wrong. I think youll also find my article Is She a False Teacher? Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? She has no control over who reads her blogs. I can always use more people praying for me. Oops! Good News Translation For your sake, my friends, I have applied all this to Apollos and me, using the two of us as an example, so that you may learn what the saying means, "Observe the proper rules." Going Beyond the Bible by Colin Morris. This article really turned me off on her. What we believe about that is irrelevant. Next, youre not going to see an article like this from TGC or Challies. Maybe God wants to stretch you beyond here! And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. 2. Your sermon reminded me about Peace of God and Love However, a teenager pointed out to me that Abraham was called . You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. Disclaimer: The specific links below are provided and endorsed as evidence pertaining to this article only. Jesus had employed many graphic analogies using common things that would be familiar to everyone (https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-parables.html). Matthew 9:32-38. Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. Amber, you seem like a very dear sister, and I love you. Mark 10:46-53, Denomination: I would love for you to hang out with us here at the blog and/or on social media (links at the top of this page). It is as old as the Scriptures themselves. Either way, while it is fine to fellowship and join with people of other denominations who hold to biblical doctrine (I have plenty of friends, and listen to plenty of teachers, outside of my own denomination, but they all teach and conduct themselves in line with the Bibles teachings. The problem at the Colossian church (the reason Paul wrote this epistle to them) was that false doctrine was starting to creep in. These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) I read myself into scripture, too! (These are not exhaustive lists, I just havent gotten to the next installmets yet :0) Do keep in mind that there are many fantastic male teachers out there, and its perfectly fine for women/womens groups to use materials written by men. 7,400,364 journeys have been made to this site. If you're new or would like to comment, please see the "Welcome- Start Here" tab at the top of this page. or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. One thats not a promotional tape? Why do you think I do not? I shared this post on Facebook the same day my new pastor friend requested me. I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help you better understand Gods role for women in the church. That preaching to and teaching men is a violation of Scripture is also not an accusation, but a statement of fact. The purpose is that none of you will be arrogant, favoring one person over another. If a pastor (or husband- Beth has also said she is acting under her husbands mantle of authority) tries to give her that authority, he is putting himself in the place of God who has prohibited it and he is sinning, too. It would stand to reason that all those that have never heard of Christ have not accepted Him and therefore, as Rom 1 details, they die in their sin. Still, knowing his perspective and the fact that hes her father doesnt change the fact that what Priscilla Shirer is doing is wrong. As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. As for the topic of this post neither of us have heard of her, but thanks for the heads up and good article as always. Furthermore, if this is a disingenuous comment/questions, you are being deceitful and displaying ungodly character and you need to repent. #3- There are a couple of links in the additional resources section that deal with Priscillas teaching of contemplative prayer, but I really should have included one in the paragraph itself, so Ive fixed that. Matthew 6:9-13. Being a person of great influence and wealth, he had demanded that he be given a place in the group because he wanted to "perform" before Even if shes twisted. If you have followed me for any length of time, you have seen me raise this issue repeatedly regarding female Bible teachers and speakers. Your thoughts about Priscilla and think, Whats not to partner with them new posts email... 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