Also Present: Michael Goldsmith, Counsel, and Gary Cornwell, Counsel. Investigations of the CIA in the 1960s and 1970s shows that the agency had embedded agents in a wide variety of organizations and institutions, including labor unions, airlines, college student associations, foundations, law firms, banks, savings and loans, investment firms, travel agencies, police departments, post offices, publishing companies, newspapers, call girl services, and mental health institutions. (Whereupon, at 12:55 p.m. the subcommittee recessed. Mr. WILCOTT - My boss, Frank O'Connor said that this was told him by the public safety commissioner and that the FBI had told the public safety commissioner. that I had at my gate, and I did that with cryptonyms from time to time for something -- we would want to check back into their accounting for something. Since the floors were not strong enough to accommodate forklifts, he wondered how the warehouse men could have moved such enormous boxes. I don't recall its origins with clarity, but I think it was given to me by a professor at Southern Methodist University here in Dallas. There is an interesting paradox about this issue. Did you write it down or do anything? Find all the books, read about the author, and more. anyone? According to this person, shortly after going to work for Bill Schelly, she & another new employee were subjected to some rather odd questioning when considering they were hired as clerks. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I did. [15] Shelley testimony, Volume 6 of the Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits on page 327, hereafter to be cited as 6H327. Mr. SAWYER - Were there any other instances of harassment? (Whereupon, a brief recess was taken.) Was there any dispute between you and the Agency? Mr. GOLDSMITH - How long were these records maintained? Mr. Shelly was Lee Harvey Oswalds supervisor at the time of the assassination of President Kennedy. Mr. WILCOTT - In December of 1975, in the little magazine called The Pelican at the University of California, and an interview was conducted by a reporter from that magazine. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. The owner of the establishment, rightwing oil man, D. H. Byrd would have had little problem approving that kind of clearance. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. I remember hearing about some CIA people who had somehow helped the right-wing Minute Men in Texas to get arms, originally intended for the invasion. Among the Dallas individuals and companies engaged in supplying arms to Cuban exiles and the Minute Men might have been the ones occupying the building at 411 Elm Street. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Why did you wait five years? Mr. SAWYER - What would they say? William Weston began researching the assassination of President Kennedy in 1992, after making a comparison of Anthony Summers excellent book Conspiracy to a book defending the official version called Final Disclosure by David Belin. Mr. SAWYER - Who is the public safety commissioner? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Confirming these observations were two more spectators, Ronald Fischer and Robert Edwards, who saw a man with light-colored hair and a light-colored open-neck shirt at a window on the fifth floor. The book depository was in a seven-story, red brick building located at 411 Elm Street. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - They called me up to chief of security, the agent security, and they interviewed me on the association that I had had with the group, and then they gave me a polygraph -- in fact, two polygraphs -- concerning my association with the group of people that I met with the group. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, when the officer told you -- strike that. He saw two white men sitting by the stairs. Mr. WILCOTT - Not really files; it was my book. This would put his visit in a period sometime during the summer or fall of 1963. Mr. GOLDSMITH - But as a matter of routine, would the CIA cash disbursement files refer to the cryptonym of either the person or the project that is receiving funds? Unknown adversaries tormented Cason so much at his home on Druid Lane, that he was forced to relocate to another part of the city. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, you never checked the cash disbursement files to see if any reference was made there to Oswald's cryptonym, is that correct? Many notes and gifts, often created by him, are left for us as a tribute to his kindness and love. Mr. CORNWELL - But your testimony or your statements on the subject hadn't been made a matter of publicity on any other occasion? Please publish modules in offcanvas position. Mr. PREYER - The Committee will resume. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, for a limited period. He said he never saw it and said it was strange that I should possess a letter that was addressed to him. Conditions at home and at work put a severe strain on Joes parents. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have a personal opinion as to how or for what purpose the CIA might have handled any projects that involved Lee Harvey Oswald? In the new 2017 November release of JFK documents, he was interviewed in executive session under oath by the House Select Committee On Assassinations on March 22,1978. Mr. CORNWELL - Perhaps I can rephrase the question and get more pointedly what I need without running into the problem that you see. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. Mr. GOLDSMITH - To your knowledge, would any records at CIA Headquarters document that Oswald was a CIA agent? In my letter to him, I praised him for his courage and expressed the hope that someday he might fill in the gaps of his story for the sake of history. Mr. GOLDSMITH - How many months after the assassination was this? Mr. WILCOTT - Anything they had there would have -- sometimes they used as many as two or three different cryptonyms and they would have -- it all depended on how far they wanted to isolate it from the original source, from the original source as to where the project was run. For in Barry Ernests book, The Girl on the Stairs, the reader will read that both Vickie Adams and Sandy Styles told Barry that they did not see either Shelly or Lovelady when they descended from the fourth floor to the first. Mr. WILCOTT - That he was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work for doing CIA operational work. Mr. CORNWELL - Has any representative of the Agency or anyone who you believed might be a representative of the Agency ever come to you and discussed these matters? His father lost weight and developed a stoop in the way he stood and walked; his hair and facial features aged prematurely. Mr. WILCOTT - Did you vote for President Kennedy? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - I really don't know. Did you cover this ground? Henry Hurt, author of Reasonable Doubt, discovered such boxes while investigating the claims of an alleged conspirator. If they do agree to be interviewed, they are truthful in what they say, except on one particular point: the year when they moved into the building. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Would those summaries be destroyed as a matter of routine, to your knowledge? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, he was. [9] Carolyn Arnold statement in Byrd/TSBD Concerns posted by Martin Barkley on May 24, 2000 on the JFK Today website. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir; I believe that happened. Considering the far-reaching extent of control over so many occupations in American society, the CIA could very well have infiltrated the schoolbook depositories and their associated publishers. This man said that a large wooden box, 36 x 48 x 60 inches, was used to import arms into the building, one with a false bottom. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Were any of these people on your list possible subjects who made references to Oswald being a CIA agent? Governor John Connally and his wife, Nellie, sat in front of them. Mr. CORNWELL - Did they tell you whether or not you passed the polygraphs? House of Representatives, Mr. GOLDSMITH - When was the first time that you alleged in public that Oswald was a CIA agent. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Referring to that list, would you tell the Committee where you were stationed during your period with the CIA? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What was their response? Joe died on August 29, 2001 at the age of 55. The shot killed Dr. King. I apologize. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. about it & possibly do a story on it. Mr. WILCOTT - I am sorry? His father died on November 2, 1990. Mr. WILCOTT - We had -- in Utica there was a group called the Vietnam Educational Council, which was informed people, formed to inform people as to what was going on in Vietnam, and we didn't feel that there was coverage enough in the media as to what was going on, and the purpose of the Vietnam Educational Council was to inform people as to what was going on. Mr. CORNWELL - Did you -- at the time you made the decision to discuss outside of the Agency this matter, did you focus on the secrecy oath problem? During a follow up call, he told me that the two musicians were not in contact with former members of the band and knew nothing of their whereabouts nor of their current activities. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you check your cash disbursement files? Mr. WILCOTT - My. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - -- to the Miami Station. This was making payments and keeping pay records. The letters themselves came to me from Larry Ray Harris, a prominent researcher of the Kennedy assassination, who knew a lot about the shooting of Officer Tippit and was featured in the British television documentary The Men Who Killed Kennedy. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - What were these people's names? Mr. WILCOTT - In 1963, I wasn't think that much about it. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I think we had better go over that one more time. Wilcott's Full HSCA Testimony EXECUTIVE SESSION ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978 House of Representatives, John F. Kennedy Subcommittee of the Select Committee on Assassinations, Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - No. Out of curiosity, he opened this door and saw a large storage area that took over half of the square footage of the fourth floor. Bill Shelly claims he was arrested by the Dallas Police and formally charged with the assassination of President Kennedy. I am sorry. Please try again. Mr. WILCOTT - No, I don't. Also in this investigative report is information and connections on prime suspects : CIA Agent William King Harvey, CIA Agent George Joannides , CIA Agent David Altee Phillips and the confessions of CIA agent David Sanchez Morals and E Howard Hunt. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Were there any other times during your stay with the CIA at XXXXXXXXXX Station that you came across information that Oswald had been a CIA agent? Mr. WILCOTT - Not that I know of. Mr. SCHAAP - Mr. Chairman, I would like to interpose, I guess, an objection, although I would like to make it more in the nature of a request, that I have some problems in terms of advising my client with respect to possibly self incrimination, that I would not advise him to go into questions of his specific knowledge of the oath and the application to what he did other than the fact that he has told you, which is a fact, that he did sign the oath; but to, go into his mental processes as to whether he felt what he was then doing related to the oath in a particular way, I would request that those questions not be asked on the grounds that they may violate either his First Amendment rights or his Fifth Amendment rights, if that would be all right. Roy Truly was, up to the time of his death in 1985, continuously frightened by "federal authorities." 25-26. men asked the employees point blank if they were members of the C.I.A. Mr. CORNWELL - On any other occasion? 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